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An Independent Woman?: Hillary Clinton As A Third Party Candidate

by Christopher McIntosh
04/21/2008

So what's a girl to do?

Hillary Clinton appears to be falling into the crevice between a rock and a hard place. If she attacks Barack Obama without any sense of restraint - his links to the Weathermen, his bowling scores, the soon to break story regarding his (lack of) flossing - she looks petty and mean. In the parlance of the politicos, her negatives go up. In the parlance of me, she looks like a jerk.

If she goes the other way... wait a minute, there isn't really another way. She could try and debate policy, but given that there have been about as many debates as contests (21), and that they have such similar policies (this is, after all, a primary between two Democrats, lest we forget) that doesn't really seem like a winner either.

Here's what we know. Hillary's going to probably win Pennsylvania, and probably by a lot. She'll most likely win Indiana, West Virginia, and Kentucky. Barack will probably grab North Carolina by about as much as she wins Pennsylvania and Oregon. Then it's on to contests where the last remaining big prize is Puerto Rico with it's 55 delegates.

So ain't going to change much. She most likely won't beat him in the national popular vote. She won't beat him in pledged delegates, and she won't beat him in states/contests won. Which leaves her having to convince about two thirds of the superdelegates to ignore the voting and vote for her because she's more electable. Given that she's picked up something like 8 superdelegates (to approximately 50 for Barack) in the last little bit, this seems unlikely.

So what's a girl to do? Take her ball and go home.

And start her own game.

I'll say it right now. I don't think it's likely, but I do think it's a plausible outcome. What happens after she makes her play for the superdelegates and loses? Does she give up?

Hillary is over 60. If she waits until the next go round she could be pushing John McCain's age when the second term is over and she can run again. She desperately (and who can blame her) wants to be the first woman president of the United States. She still has donors who are giving her lots and lots of money. Most importantly, she has a large number of supporters who have said that they would vote for nobody at all if Hillary isn't at the top of the ticket.

Her supporters are loyal. Perhaps more loyal to her than to the Democratic Party.

I think there is a real possibility that Hillary says to the Democratic party, "Thank you very much for your time, but if you're not going to support me for president, I'll find someone who will."

I think there is a real danger that she runs as a third party candidate if she does not win. Countless reporters have said that she's in it because she believes that Obama cannot win. Why should she stop once the Democratic party - many of whom she and her husband helped to put in place - says so?

It'd be extremely easy for her to run independently. Her infrastructure is in place from the lengthy primary, so unlike other elections where there was no contest in Ohio or Pennsylvania and she would've had to start from scratch in the general, this time, she's ready. She's got money. She's got credibility. It might even lower her negatives as she always seems to be doing better when she's the outsider and when she's being ganged up on, both of which are primary features of being an outsider candidate.

And the Democrats can't even complain that she's hurting their chances for victory. Nader was bad because he shaved off votes, but never won anything on his own. An independent Hillary would certainly win states, perhaps even the big states like New York and California, when pitted against Obama and McCain. And projections for the general indicate she would do well in places Obama wouldn't and vice versa. It might even be net better for the Democrats to have a two headed monster take on McCain. They could trade off areas of the country they beat him in.

At worst, she wins enough electoral votes to guarantee that no one wins a majority of electoral votes. Then it goes to the House. The Democratically controlled House. Now there is certainly the possibility that she may win some electoral votes but that Congress may give her the cold shoulder. But it's also possible that 15-20 representatives may say to the rest of the party, either we all vote for Clinton and guarantee a "Democratic" president, or else we'll switch over and vote for McCain. I think it's much less likely anyone would play similar hardball on Obama's side - no one could credibly say "it's either Obama or McCain, for me."

I think this is her best shot at winning. Her only argument with the superdelegates is electability, and see above regarding the blowback from negativity.

So should we be scared for a Democratic split, a third party, and eventual Clinton White House?

I said plausible, not likely. Here are three reasons that argue against this scenario happening.

1. Hillary wants a Democrat in the White House in 2009 desperately. Although she could probably win some states, in each individual state either her or Obama would have to win despite the fact that they are picking from the same pie. If neither of them gets to ~40% then McCain most likely wins. True, there has been an increase in Democratic registration, but it would have to offset the GOP's famous ability to close ranks. Given the stakes, it's an awfully, awfully big risk.

2. It's political suicide. Now, one could argue that Hillary sees this campaign as the death throes of her political career or that she's willing to gamble with her life when it comes to the White House, but it's also political suicide for every member of her campaign. Clinton for President isn't the principal, a laptop, and a rental car, but a whole army of people all the way up to "generals" like Mark Penn. Think they're going to jump on the Titanic? Of course not, but that does presuppose they see a 3rd party bid as similarly doomed, which they might not.

3. Even if it got to the House, the chickens, as the Reverend Wright reminds us, would come home to roost. (I totally and completely disavow and disown the previous sentence). If Hillary chose to run by herself, she would be giving the one finger salute to the entirety of the Democratic party, or at least the part that didn't support her going on this expedition. At the end, in order to win, she'd be right back where she started, trying to convince the ultimate superdelegates to vote for her. She may have better ammunition this time, but then again she may not.

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What now?

"It'd be extremely easy for her to run independently. Her infrastructure is in place from the lengthy primary, so unlike other elections where there was no contest in Ohio or Pennsylvania and she would've had to start from scratch in the general, this time, she's ready. She's got money. [...]"

Other major news sources today report that her campaign is 8-figures in debt.

Posted By:

John B.

04/21/2008

10:15 AM

Wait...hold on......Puerto Rico has how many delegates???

Posted By:

Sandy

04/21/2008

10:24 AM

It's too late to start balloting as an independent right now. Many states deadlines are coming right up in a month or so. The only real chance for Clinton to run as independent will be 2012. The ultimate setup and stab in the back scenario for 2008: Clinton campaign suing (or threatening) DNC over Florida and Michigan at the last moment before party convention and grabbing the nomination outcome at the convention hostage to a lawsuit. Then, watch the dealmaking happen! It's dirty and desparate, but when you got nothing left to lose, that is where you go. I like "all bets are off" scenarios for free-ranging speculation. Clintons have no problem throwing 'friends' under the campaign bus, so why not a whole political party?

Posted By:

George Tatevosyan

04/21/2008

11:07 AM

All three candidates left in this race 'suck' in my opinion. But, if I decide to vote, it would have to be hillary. Barack is an idiot who wants us to believe he grew up poor, but I wasn't the one going to a private school in hawaii. Yeah, real poor.

I would actually be more inclined to vote, if it was for Hillary in a third party role. It's time for a new party anyways, The democrats and republicans are both equally worthless.

Posted By:

Steve

05/07/2008

04:22 AM

I thought of this distinct possibility a while back as well. I think it is def possible esp with how many of the states have changed their internal rules on how electoral votes get divvied up after Ross Perot in 92.

And the Clinton's have enough dough in the bank to go through November. They might have to go broke but I believe at the end of the day Bill and Hillary wanted to change this country so they can be in the history books; running as a 3rd party candidate and forcing a special election would pretty much guarantee that.

And most of the HoR is Democrat so all Hillary would need to show in the general election is that she got more votes than Obama, which I think is possible once we see how terrible Obama will be at defending his policy positions against John McCain. Of course he'll still have the majority of the youth vote (i'm 29) but I believe that older voters will flock away from him after they see him perform, or lack there of, in a real debate against a Republican.

Posted By:

Dominik

05/07/2008

2:56 PM

I think she could actually win as a third party candidate and come out looking like a hero. The two parties now suck - no moderation - always far right or far left crap. Hillary always talks about Teddy Roosevelt (who told his own party to go screw themselves and ran as an independent). Americans would eat it up and I think she would get a lot of support.

Posted By:

JP

05/07/2008

6:01 PM

I'd vote for HRC as Independent.

Posted By:

Destiny

05/12/2008

09:32 AM

I hope Senator Hillary Clinton runs as an Independent in the general election because I believe the odds are against Senator Barack Obama in the general election... Obama has the Democratic primary delegate edge because of his wins in caucus states that usually go Republican during the general elections… Obama will have a difficult time winning pivotal swing states such as Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio in the general elections… He has upset Democratic voters in Florida by not wanting to seat their delegates. He angered the Pennsylvania voters by his “small town people” comments... He upset the Ohio voters by meeting with Canadian officials about NAFTA… Clinton has won most of the super states, including the all important swing states including Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio… I think Obama is a good speaker but he has very little hands on experience and will be put though the blender when he faces Senator John McCain in the general election… Our country is in poor shape and we should not be gambling away our future on a long shoot… If the democratic party gambles on Obama and he loses to McCain, I will have to reevaluate my loyalty to the Democratic Party and possibly register independent... To win the White House you must win moderates because most of the country is in the middle and Clinton appeals to this all important voting block… In the general election the rules are winner takes all and Clinton should be able to beat both opponents… Democrats need to start choosing moderate candidates if they want to start winning Presidential elections… What is your opinion???

Posted By:

JP [Website]

05/12/2008

2:59 PM

I hope she does run independent because I and a lot of people I know of, along with quite a few of the millions who have shown their support for her and those to come, would vote for her. If Obama becomes the Democratic Nominee we'll basically be giving the Election to McCain. I firmly believe that, without a question and many others do as well.

Posted By:

Anna

05/12/2008

7:57 PM

I'm a researcher...means Stats for those Obama supporters that are caught up in the nominee math and not the general election math. Here is how it would would playout if Hillary was an Independent with a 11 point margin of error: Hillary: 244; McCain 201; Obama 93. None of the candidates are likly to win 270 unless Hillary gets Texas which it is a swing state for her, so according to the constitution whos ahead wins, Hillary. If there is a tie between Hillary and McCain, the House votes, Dems control the House, doubtful they would vote for McCain over Hillary, since they are split between Hillary and Obama also. Obama goes back to sit in Wright's Church. America gets a chance at real health care and maybe survives 2012.

Posted By:

Crystal

05/12/2008

9:37 PM

I'm that 50 year old white educated woman. I would NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton. She is a liar, dishonest, with extremely questionable, and possibly illegal business practices. In the years before her husband was in the WhiteHouse - can't say for sure if he was actually the 'President', she participated in companies that affected that working class WHITE folks in a negative way. She can't even raise money. I vote for the candidate that relates to our issues - Obama. He understands how we struggle. And by the way, he was raised by a white mother - he's white. His ethics ultimately follow what he was raised. He was raised in an extremely loving white home. He is open and accepting and has a wonder calm way to help people understand what's really important!!

Posted By:

Gail

05/21/2008

06:47 AM

Why (if Hillary changes to Independent) would she need any longer to be concerned about the "superdelegates"? I don't understand the writer's logic there. I thought superdelegates were strictly a Democrat invention. Why would she need them as an Independent?

Posted By:

levotb

05/28/2008

02:46 AM

Hillary should seek the New American Independent Party's nomination in 2012.

http://www.newamericanindependent.com

Posted By:

Dan [Website]

07/03/2008

05:12 AM

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